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Post by alice on Oct 23, 2010 0:36:40 GMT
Thank you Dangeresque, I was also a little confused by Coredump's response to my comment.
I'm going to stay out of this now, because I've paid my two cents. I'm kind of upset that Mina would hold it against me that I have formed an opinion of Yori over time as a result of having spent quite a while on the hive under his influence. I think it's a fair opinion, and I very rarely like to speak negatively about people. I had been excusing his attitude for some time, putting it down to the stress of trying to moderate us lot, but his grouchy, superior-than-thou comments became tiresome. I didn't whine about it on TTH, or try to cause any trouble. I just left.
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Post by Jaka on Oct 23, 2010 2:25:48 GMT
Oh no no no. I don't hold it against you. You are my queen. I couldn't. Your half of what I wish I was and always gentle and sweet. I couldn't hold it against you if you killed Yori. I was more stunned that he could break your gentle spirit.
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Post by Dangeresque on Oct 23, 2010 11:29:56 GMT
This whole exchange. Mine... yours. It's all reminded me of how inadequate text is when it comes to comunicating feeling.
I'm going to hold a poetry compotition. And a writing competition. And a competition where you have to draw a new rendition of the rage face on paint.
I'm going to do all that tommorow.
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Post by Vespid on Oct 23, 2010 11:55:12 GMT
Keeping in mind that I, too, am a mod and that I generally don't like cross-forum flame wars...
Salamut has been mod baiting for at least 6 months, probably longer. In his own words, he should have gone numerous times. Coredump provided the numbers of warnings that Sal has had.
Whilst I agree that the final straw was a bit light, people focussing on that part are missing the bigger picture. Using a similar analogy used on a previous page by Psychichobo... It's like you are saying that the person who has been shooting people and finally caught whilst caught jaywalking should be tried only for the jaywalking...
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Post by Captain Malachi on Oct 23, 2010 14:46:00 GMT
I see what you're saying Vespid, but in this case it seems like the last straw didn't actually exist except in Yori's mind.
Sal was on his absolutely last chance, fair enough, but he still needs to actually break the rules again to use it up and I don't see how he did. If anybody else had said what he said it would have been completely ignored, add in the fact that it was a response to Yori's own blatant trolling and it seems a tad unfair.
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Post by Poly on Oct 23, 2010 14:53:41 GMT
Instead of shooting people/jaywalking- I see it like being on probation and getting tossed back in jail for getting a library card. Except! Psychichobo got a library card earlier that week... You know what? This is the third time I've tried to convey that. If you guys still insist it was warranted, I'll have to hold an intervention for you too.
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Post by Psychodrake on Oct 24, 2010 4:21:08 GMT
Still pisses me off that Yori just came in and said
Really? This doesn't even seem like it was meant jokingly? This and the deletion of all of the old general threads, it feels to me like he's just trying to find an excuse to close down general all together, never mind the fact he bans Sal after insulting people who may play WoW for a fairly tame and obvious joke. I can't be bothered with it personally, I don't feel welcome there anymore and will probably just go back to lurking the painting and converting sections.
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Post by Dangeresque on Oct 24, 2010 9:03:11 GMT
I have read all the arguments and understood it all and in conclusion I have just this to say*:
Everyone thinks they're right.
*Prize available if you can guess what I'm referencing.
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Post by psychichobo on Oct 24, 2010 21:53:39 GMT
*sigh*
I've already posted my opinions about this on the Hive.
Just for the record, I've never hated anyone on the Hive or here. Regardless of what's happened, I think there's a bit too much venom in our pen ink here.
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Post by coredump on Oct 25, 2010 17:58:36 GMT
I tell you to shut up because I'm frickin' annoyed. I think it's called being human. Just because I'm angry now doesn't mean Yori hasn't been angry for frickin' ages. I am sure Yoritomo gets 'annoyed' also. But *he* doesn't tell people to shut up, nor swear at them. And Yoritomo deals with *many* more threads and *many* more posters than you do, but he has managed to not behave in such a fashion. Yet somehow *he* is the angry one?? EXACTLY!!! Glad you admit it, you *don't* know everything that was going on, yet you felt qualified to comment as if you knew all the facts. You did not ask for the facts, you did not try to get better information, You just flamed away.... And *now* you tell us you didn't really know what was going on. And no one said that post was "bannable", of course not. It was the fact that he was *once again* doing what he was told to not do. Then you might want to check out This Site a bit more, lots of folks here knew why they were being locked. Lots of folks here agreed that they should have been locked. I understand you had a small clique that was enjoying themselves. But dont' mistake 15-20 people posting like crazy as necessarily beneficial for a website with 1500 visitors a day. Wow... you really do see things only one way. First, there are *hundreds* of folks with 300+ posts, and thousands with 100+ posts. And sorry if you are unable to find 'kinship' outside of threads of one word posts and off topic spam. If that is what you wanted, and there is nothing wrong with that, I am glad you started this forum so the 15 of you have someplace to just post and post and post. **SOME** people enjoyed it, a very few 'some people' enjoyed it. And those few of you that enjoyed it so much, came here and can enjoy it here. But notice there was no mass exodus to come here and take part.... showing that this was *not* what most folks were looking for. I am glad you guys have what you want, but you have to stop acting like you are representing the 'masses' of people at TTH. BINGO!! Once again, you finally admit your ignorance of how the TTH operates.... yet that has not stopped you from pretending you have some secret insight. As opposed to: Asking for information PMing other Mods for information Doing something besides jumping to conclusions and flaming Yoritomo. By the way, no one has had the balls to answer this: So, what *should* a mod do? There were at least a dozen warnings There were two temp bans for similar behavior There was a Final Warning about this exact behavior *and* a follow up to make sure he understood the issue. And yet Sal *still* pulled the same crap. So, what *should* a mod do? And lets remember, even Sal knew he was in the wrong, and should have been banned many times over. Yet, somehow, Yoritomo is the 'nazi'. And Dang, just a friendly heads up. That sig file you have at TTH, is also against the rules. The first rule states no websites without permission. But it has been overlooked, even by the Eb1! Yoritomo, because it may prove helpful for folks that want a different outlet. But let me guess, you never thought about that either....
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Post by coredump on Oct 25, 2010 18:01:06 GMT
Thank you Dangeresque, I was also a little confused by Coredump's response to my comment. I'm going to stay out of this now, because I've paid my two cents. Not so fast.... You talked about the people that Yoritomo has banned.... what people? Do you have a list? Do you have any names? And I called you on calling him a 'little boy', for banning Sal; or are you now saying they were unrelated??
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Post by coredump on Oct 25, 2010 18:05:09 GMT
I see what you're saying Vespid, but in this case it seems like the last straw didn't actually exist except in Yori's mind. Do you really not see it?? Sals comment was a milder form of: "Haha Yori, you can't post that because I found a rule to stop you, just like you try and use the rules to stop me. Now I turned it on you..." By telling Yoritomo he was breaking the rules by mentioning 'drugs' when he said WarCrack. Was it a horrible thing to say... no. Could someone else have said it and not been banned... probably not even commented on. But... this was *not* the first time, or the second, or the 10th, or likely not even the 30th time Sal has pulled stuff like this. He as specifically given a Final Warning for *exactly* this behavior, and he decided to push it anyway.
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Post by Poly on Oct 25, 2010 18:24:24 GMT
Hmm, I'll let you post once more about TTH then I'll ban you. This is how you repay my leniency? Somebody second my vote to boot this troll off our island, please. We have rules here too. If you aren't going to abide by them & only contribute to the negitivity we are trying to shed you can keep your comments to yourself, I don't remember anyone inviting you anyway. Stop coming over here with TTH drama or we'll have to cut you off.
Better yet...
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Post by Magical Baker on Oct 25, 2010 19:35:20 GMT
By the way, no one has had the balls to answer this: So, what *should* a mod do? There were at least a dozen warnings There were two temp bans for similar behavior There was a Final Warning about this exact behavior *and* a follow up to make sure he understood the issue. And yet Sal *still* pulled the same crap. So, what *should* a mod do? And lets remember, even Sal knew he was in the wrong, and should have been banned many times over. Yet, somehow, Yoritomo is the 'nazi'. Well then, I'll pretend to have these balls you speak of, answering a question that is as close to rhetorical as you can get, with an abundance of words so I can look good instead of posting a simple and effective short reply. A moderator should, given the amounts of warning received by said member (no names given) take action once this member passes the final line. Whether this be by deleting the offender's account on the forum or blocking his IP is up to the policy of the forum. The consequences are only temporary, and often not necessary, but there will be consequences none the less. Still, a moderator should simply ignore these and move on. After all, a moderator gotta do what a moderator gotta do.Is that good enough? EDIT- Now I don't know if Poly banned you just there, if he did that's a pity. I will then feel the same for you as for Sal, disappointment then nothing more. Cheers!
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Post by Poly on Oct 25, 2010 20:24:06 GMT
I didn't. I'm over it. Lets just forget about TTH and all this prater.
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Post by salamut2202 on Oct 25, 2010 21:04:06 GMT
wait a lil' "Haha Yori, you can't post that because I found a rule to stop you, just like you try and use the rules to stop me. Now I turned it on you..." what?
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Post by coredump on Oct 25, 2010 21:40:21 GMT
Hmm, I'll let you post once more about TTH then I'll ban you. This is how you repay my leniency? Somebody second my vote to boot this troll off our island, please. We have rules here too. If you aren't going to abide by them & only contribute to the negitivity we are trying to shed you can keep your comments to yourself, I don't remember anyone inviting you anyway. Stop coming over here with TTH drama or we'll have to cut you off.
Better yet...
But Yoritomo is the "fuckin hothead"? I have never seen him swear at anyone, let alone tell them to go fuck themselves. I have never seen Yoritomo call out a poster for not "really" being a forum member. I have never seen him try and get other posters to gang up on a member. But you have managed all of this in just one thread, while calling him a "fuckin hothead". And you may want to correct another error you made, Yoritomo did *not* lock the Warhammer thread, eventhough you have decided to blame it on him. Don't feel bad, Julio blamed it on him too. Neither one of you know you actually locked it, but managed to blame Yoritomo anyway. But, that happens all the time. Hellbreaker, glad to see you respond with the same actions that Yoritomo took. I was hoping someone that felt he acted wrongly would have the balls to respond... but hey, thanks.
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Post by Dangeresque on Oct 25, 2010 23:15:27 GMT
Hmm, I'll let you post once more about TTH then I'll ban you. This is how you repay my leniency? Somebody second my vote to boot this troll off our island, please. We have rules here too. If you aren't going to abide by them & only contribute to the negitivity we are trying to shed you can keep your comments to yourself, I don't remember anyone inviting you anyway. Stop coming over here with TTH drama or we'll have to cut you off.
Not so fast Poly... in due time... but I'm enjoying this pointless exchange.
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Post by alice on Oct 26, 2010 0:13:21 GMT
This is getting silly. I think we all need to except our differences. We have our place here, and Coredump has his at TTH. Why can't we just let each other be? Coredump should just abandon this futile attempt at reasoning and see that it's clearly just stirring things up and fuelling the battle, and we in turn should stop arguing with him and let TTH go it's own way. We have our own forum now, why should we care what TTH has turned into? Let them have their little dictatorship if it makes them happy
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Post by hosh on Oct 26, 2010 1:05:25 GMT
And I say to thee my children, and spake thus to a point make, rest thee hurtful spouters of flame. Learn thee not from thine own past, hast thou found the need to troll in this the vilest of manners. Rest thine angry head, this is not a forum of negative, this is a forum of funk most groovy!!! So layest down thine weary hand and type forth hatred no more. Join with the cosmic love and good will and hearten those who are in pain. Tread not in the land of troll, for the troll most surely you will become.
Know these, the rules 3.
1 Be thou kind to thine brother, for he must in turn be quite excellent in his own way. 2 Summon not all the sudsy powers of hell on another forum because thou felt attacked, come forth with a gentle speech and honest question. Maybe thou whilst find thine foe is not what he appears at first meeting. 3 Grow some balls and stop making the same blatant attacks you are trying to call others out for. This should go for both sides ya freaking retarded fish monkeys.
This has been a message from your friendly neighborhood cow thingy. Remember, when you think of cow thingies, think of Hosh.
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