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Post by Poly on Oct 22, 2010 6:12:51 GMT
As much as everyone claims they hate bitching... it's really fun to do! I can't complain! <A complaint in & of itself.
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Post by coredump on Oct 22, 2010 7:17:45 GMT
Hey folks,
I don't mean to harsh on your hate-fest, I just want to make sure I understand this.
Sal states, that even in his opinion, he has done enough to get banned three times over... Tim agrees with the ban, saying it has been avoided for a long time... Phobo says Sal was on thin ice already...
And yet when Sal *finally* does get banned, it is only because Yori is a Nazi, or a 'little boy', and is a 'little bitch'....
Based on Sal's own admission, Yori was very reasonable, and allowed for many extra chances... but apparently no matter how reasonable Yori is, nor how many times he gives 'second' chances, it doesn't matter. If he ever does his job as a moderator... he will get lambasted for it.
That is your prerogative, just wanted to be sure I understood the situation.
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Post by Poly on Oct 22, 2010 7:31:13 GMT
Sal said his post was within the rules, & that was the last straw. Sure he could have been banned for things that went against the rules but he wasn't & that's why I stand by my comment.
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Post by Dangeresque on Oct 22, 2010 8:09:18 GMT
That is your prerogative, just wanted to be sure I understood the situation. Shut up Coredump... there's a reason this forum was made. I'm highly surprised that it's not really frickin' obvious. That reason is a general arsehole in nearly every way you can be over the internet. Yoritomo is an angry bastard whether he's simply posting about something, locking a bunch of threads, ignoring peoples good intentions or banning Salamut. We don't like him. This is the internet. Take the hint. I'm tired of TTH politics impacting this forum. I'm tired of Tyranid Hive politics. Really fuckin' tired. Angry fuckin' tired.
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Post by alice on Oct 22, 2010 11:25:16 GMT
Hey folks, I don't mean to harsh on your hate-fest, I just want to make sure I understand this. Sal states, that even in his opinion, he has done enough to get banned three times over... Tim agrees with the ban, saying it has been avoided for a long time... Phobo says Sal was on thin ice already... And yet when Sal *finally* does get banned, it is only because Yori is a Nazi, or a 'little boy', and is a 'little bitch'.... Based on Sal's own admission, Yori was very reasonable, and allowed for many extra chances... but apparently no matter how reasonable Yori is, nor how many times he gives 'second' chances, it doesn't matter. If he ever does his job as a moderator... he will get lambasted for it. That is your prerogative, just wanted to be sure I understood the situation. We don't regard Yori that way because of this one incident. He's built up this reputation over a period of time spent behaving less like a mod and more like a bully. Personally I feel like his attitude was just as poor as some of the people he banned, and that he should realise that respect has to be earned.
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Post by Jaka on Oct 22, 2010 12:05:12 GMT
@danger, not that I want a ban from here or anything but your so angry that instead of staying out of it you purposefully posted on the hive in the good-bye Sal thread with a comment that if taken the wrong way stirs up trouble pretty easily. I mostly think you just want an excuse to hate Yori because you feel all righteously indignant about what happened to general and so from now on anything he does gives you the right to hate him. alice, Wow even you Alice. (I am kinda disappointed that he can break your gentle spirit.) I don't understand how you can admit your arse-holes but still dislike Yori. I always thought it was because you were stupid/blind that you hated him. Did it ever cross your guys minds that he might be such a "bully" because you left him no other role to play?
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Post by salamut2202 on Oct 22, 2010 12:23:16 GMT
i have a good bye thread! doesn't that defeat the point that i can't get there within the means of which i'm bothered?
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Post by Dangeresque on Oct 22, 2010 12:51:16 GMT
@danger, not that I want a ban from here or anything but your so angry that instead of staying out of it you purposefully posted on the hive in the good-bye Sal thread with a comment that if taken the wrong way stirs up trouble pretty easily. I mostly think you just want an excuse to hate Yori because you feel all righteously indignant about what happened to general and so from now on anything he does gives you the right to hate him. alice, Wow even you Alice. (I am kinda disappointed that he can break your gentle spirit.) I don't understand how you can admit your arse-holes but still dislike Yori. I always thought it was because you were stupid/blind that you hated him. Did it ever cross your guys minds that he might be such a "bully" because you left him no other role to play? Ban you? For talking against me? That's sorta what I want to happen... I don't like to think I'm a mod unless some hardcore trollin' from hell arrives on my doorstep. I can't ban you for having opinions, I have a few myself! You know... I typed a whole massive paragraph detailing what specific things in TTH history caused me to dislike Yori... but that's not neccesary. I realised I can sum it up in a (longish) paragraph. Yori is an indifferent killjoy who opperates his community entirly on his own terms. When that is limited to simple questions about Tyranids, Yori manifests himself as a coin, an answer spouting robot on one side, and an irate chiding closet-troll on the other. I'm not the first person in history to believe Yori's responces were of a distinct "Holier than thou's dog shit opinion" variety. When it came to the fluid and growing community of general he refused to accept the way it was and did everything according to his own moral code under the excuse of "forum rules" which, quite franky, didn't cover half the things he said (especially "family friendly". Not once did it ever say that. I'm not even sure if it says it now). Not once did he stop to consider the actual community members. Not once, when things went wrong, did he support a solution despite tasking us with solving it ourselves. He just locked and locked and then deleted everything without warning. There were some great threads there, the "good ol' days", and I couldn't get them back because they didn't exist anymore. So, finally, I took the fixing of things into my own hands and dropped the guise that I liked Yori in any way shape of form. I havn't liked Yori since he replaced Trygon as the de-facto general mod. He's given me no reason to start liking him since then. Quite the fucking opposite. Note that the hate for Yori has come out now that people can say things without reprocussion. Note that it started a long time ago. It's nothing new, you knowing about it is.
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Post by Poly on Oct 22, 2010 13:19:08 GMT
I'm sick of hearing this I've been doing it too long I'm now trigger happy. He wouldn't dare say that to a commanding officer, and yet it's his "free pass" to be a fuckin hothead online.
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Post by speach on Oct 22, 2010 14:07:30 GMT
this banning is crap well done yori for making a total ass of yourself.
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Post by wormwood on Oct 22, 2010 14:12:12 GMT
IT would seem to me that, if he's tired of it, and it makes him angry, he should quit. Then, perhaps a cooler head could preside over the zoo.
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Post by coredump on Oct 22, 2010 17:50:41 GMT
So, again, in an effort to understand...
You tell me to "shut up" and call Yoritomo an 'arsehole'; yet *he* is the 'angry bastard.??
Can you show me the thread that he told someone to shut up? How about where he was swearing at people?
And lets try and back up your other assertions....
How was banning Sal (who readily admits he deserved it several times over) denote someone as 'angry'? How does giving Sal several direct and specific warnings, and thus multiple second chances... denote being an arsehole?
He has locked a few threads, but so have I, and I believe Aux has locked more than Yori and I combined. That is part of the job of a moderator, if you had objections, you should/could have directed the objections to another Mod. Or maybe you realized the threads *deserved* to be locked, but wanted to feel free to complain about it anyway.
And I love the 'ignoring good intentions' bit.... does that actually mean anything, or are you simply typing what sounds nice?
Sorry you are tired about the TTH issues impacting you, perhaps you should mention that to all the Newgen posters that keep bringing TTH and Yori up in threads.
Really?? And you know this how? Because your fiends over here told you this? Let me clue you in, 85% of the posts in New Gen are made by 15 people, *15*.
Look at the TTH stats, there are 100 times that many people visiting every day. Maybe, just maybe, there is concern for more than just the handful of people that were all but taking over General. And read the threads over here, most folks *knew* they were breaking the rules, and *knew* the threads would and should be locked, but decided they wanted to push it anyway. And then they were shocked, *shocked* I say, that the the threads got locked once it got way off topic and filled with spam.
Spoken like someone that has no clue how TTH operates. We operate off the basics that HiveMind provides, and have been operating off the same basics for many years now. Yoritomo has a lot of influence, but he is not alone in decision making.
And to be clear, again, the reboot of General was posted for over a month for the Mods to discuss and comment. It was not something he did on his own on a whim. No mod tried to stop it. In hindsight, it may have been better to let folks know ahead of time, but I don't think it would have really changed anything, the threads would still be gone.
Alice: Perhaps you could supply us with a list of the people that Yoritomo has banned?? Lets skip Sal, and the ones that were banned for advertising.... but a list of all the rest would be helpful. ??
Nice try, but that is a cop out. It was *this* incident that was a "prime example" of Nazi tendencies, and it was *this* incident that had you seeing a 'little boy'.
So, what *should* a mod do? There were at least a dozen warnings There were two temp bans for similar behavior There was a Final Warning about this exact behavior *and* a follow up to make sure he understood the issue.
And yet Sal *still* pulled the same crap. So, what *should* a mod do? And lets remember, even Sal knew he was in the wrong, and should have been banned many times over. Yet, somehow, Yoritomo is the 'nazi'.
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Post by Magical Baker on Oct 22, 2010 18:07:00 GMT
And to be clear, again, the reboot of General was posted for over a month for the Mods to discuss and comment. It was not something he did on his own on a whim. No mod tried to stop it. In hindsight, it may have been better to let folks know ahead of time, but I don't think it would have really changed anything, the threads would still be gone And one learns from one's mistakes. It'd be nice if you let people know when the boards are getting cleaned-up. It helps preventing confusion and in some cases stronger emotions to spread. But hey, it's only another five years, right? Try to keep it in mind though. And that's the only thing I have to say. Yori is none of my concern. Cheers!
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Post by Captain Malachi on Oct 22, 2010 18:33:12 GMT
Let's just take a quick look at the incident here. This is what Yori said:
Thanks Yori, we love you too, nice to know what you think of our hobbies.
This is what Sal said in response:
Now tell me, where is the mod baiting in that? Yori insults all of us who play WoW, Sal makes a light hearted, joking response, and get's banned for it.
Yes, Sal has done a lot, but you still can't ban him unless he actually does something to break the rules, and that comment did no such thing. And for the record, I have read the guidelines, and they do frown upon drug references, even if they don't outright ban them. I know everyone ignores that anyway, I'm just saying.
Frankly I'm still pissed at Yori for his comment to begin with. I don't go around insulting him about what he does in his spare time, so if he's such a reasonable guy what gives him the right to insult what we do?
Big important note: This is just one of many, many similar examples of his behaviour. Sadly we can't get examples of half of them since they were all deleted with no warning and I can't be arsed to go looking for the ones that are still there.
As for Aux locking more threads, that may be true, but he doesn't go around just locking threads because they get too long or he doesn't agree with what's being said. And before you say Yori doesn't do that, I specifically remember him doing so on several occasions.
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Post by CephaSquiddy on Oct 22, 2010 20:14:20 GMT
I am honestly debating whether I should kill my TTH account.
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Post by Poly on Oct 22, 2010 23:24:45 GMT
Can you show me the thread that he told someone to shut up? How about where he was swearing at people? General was deleted... that kinda was telling us all at once to shut up. Did you have anything of value too add? Or is this going to wrap itself up soon?
You wait two months to post & this is the best you've got? *Underwhelmed* What should a mod do? Did he try deleting everything that meant anything to us? Did he play favorites right before our eyes? Yeah he's done everything his tiny brain can conceive. Psychichobo made a drug reference, got a slap on the hand. Sal DIDN'T and was permabanned. You can dress it uo all you want, the way I see it- anything he could have posted would have gotten him banned. I truely love the part where Yori says he works twenty hours a day & still manages to lock threads. What a go getter, and clearly thinking with a level head at that point of exhaustion. When you say Yoritomo is not alone in the decision making, that was a joke right? Because if you are not kidding wake the fuck up & smell the coffee. Look dude, it's been an issue on TTH. It's a whole other website- this was a website to be as far away from Hive bullshit as we could get. We NewGenners are talking about it yes, but I don't consider you NewGenner. So don't come over here with your opinion. You don't know what the hell you are talking about. If you love Yori, bene. Go bake him a cake. We don't & trying to convince us otherwise is as dumb as thinking the Hive is under the Hive Minds control.
Now by you posting again it kinda seems like you are baiting us... Hmm, I'll let you post once more about TTH then I'll ban you. I've stepped on a land mine before. *Hits the light bulb once more* I don't need to make sense.
This! Is! NewGen! *Kicks coredump in the hole*
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Post by loplod on Oct 22, 2010 23:43:08 GMT
Drama Drama Drama.
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Post by Custy on Oct 23, 2010 0:06:37 GMT
Oh yeah...
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Post by Dangeresque on Oct 23, 2010 0:11:33 GMT
As far as I'm concerned this is a back and forth argument of belief that will have no end as niether party will ever... ever... yiel;d to the others beliefs. But what did I say in that other thread? As much as everyone claims they hate bitching... it's really fun to do! So, have at thee knave! So, again, in an effort to understand... You tell me to "shut up" and call Yoritomo an 'arsehole'; yet *he* is the 'angry bastard.?? I tell you to shut up because I'm frickin' annoyed. I think it's called being human. Just because I'm angry now doesn't mean Yori hasn't been angry for frickin' ages. Can you show me the thread that he told someone to shut up? How about where he was swearing at people? I could show you the ones where he puts people down for the most trivial of things... it's sort of alll of them. I could also show you how I acted before you "met" me... I could, if most of it wasn't all deleted. Yeah, it's a sore point. How was banning Sal (who readily admits he deserved it several times over) denote someone as 'angry'? How does giving Sal several direct and specific warnings, and thus multiple second chances... denote being an arsehole? The way he did it for a post that was so far below bannable material in the eyes of everyone who wasn't a moderator (remember, we don't keep track of all the warnings and temp bans. I only knew about the temp ban myself and I thought it was just Yori banning him because he'd ticked Yori off. Sorta like if I banned you for doing what you're doing now. I won't). He didn't become angry because of it, it was just a further example in our eyes that he was angry. Giving justified warning isn't what makes you an arsehole. Pretty much everything else Yori does... does. I'm not repeating what. He has locked a few threads, but so have I, and I believe Aux has locked more than Yori and I combined. That is part of the job of a moderator, if you had objections, you should/could have directed the objections to another Mod. Or maybe you realized the threads *deserved* to be locked, but wanted to feel free to complain about it anyway. You know, I'll agree that Aux locked a lot of threads. I'll agree that Trygon did too. But I respected both of them, Trygon because he knew what was going on and Aux because while he might have been a trigger happy he was always a good bloke. Yori just... locked. That's how I percieve it. With dual asterisks and snide comment... locked. Everyone knows that several times I tried to do something about it in the public eye. Everyone knows that everything bar newgen failed spectacularly. I'm surpirsed you don't know... but I can't recall you ever using general much. Thanks for the advice after the fact. And I love the 'ignoring good intentions' bit.... does that actually mean anything, or are you simply typing what sounds nice? Sorry you are tired about the TTH issues impacting you, perhaps you should mention that to all the Newgen posters that keep bringing TTH and Yori up in threads. Ask everyone. How many threads did I start trying to get a public solution to all what I refered to as "The Problem". How many forums did I start? Four and one respectivly, if I recall. I did that with good intentions and got nothing until I made this forum. I support a good bitch at Yori because he's been bitchin' for a solid year. I also support the anonimity of a certain member. What I don't support is you coming here so far after the fact to "gain understanding". Good one... I laughed. Really?? And you know this how? Because your fiends over here told you this? Let me clue you in, 85% of the posts in New Gen are made by 15 people, *15*. Look at the TTH stats, there are 100 times that many people visiting every day. Maybe, just maybe, there is concern for more than just the handful of people that were all but taking over General. And read the threads over here, most folks *knew* they were breaking the rules, and *knew* the threads would and should be locked, but decided they wanted to push it anyway. And then they were shocked, *shocked* I say, that the the threads got locked once it got way off topic and filled with spam. Yup, that small group of people (plus other less active members that you've not included) is the general community. It's the closest thing to a solid community the Hive ever had in my experience. Above, it's just ten post names asking questions of those with the know how, and little more. There's no kinship. There was plenty of kinship in general and I thought that was important. The mods did not think that was important. You phrase it as "taking over"... good god. General had a flow of conversation. People actually liked just talking down there. We all loved the Hive for it. Spoken like someone that has no clue how TTH operates. We operate off the basics that HiveMind provides, and have been operating off the same basics for many years now. Yoritomo has a lot of influence, but he is not alone in decision making. Sure as hell could have fooled me. Then again, I've never been told how TTH operates from your point of view. I didn't think you had some sort of system because it didn't show. I didn't think anyone but Yori did anything much because it didn't show. I saw mods like Coff and Aux participate then a saw Yori smash stuff down. In fact, I've seen you twice down there. Once cleaning a thread up, once wondering if you should lock something. The total moderation of general was schitzophrenic, so a "system" was not in use. And to be clear, again, the reboot of General was posted for over a month for the Mods to discuss and comment. It was not something he did on his own on a whim. No mod tried to stop it. In hindsight, it may have been better to let folks know ahead of time, but I don't think it would have really changed anything, the threads would still be gone. This is supposed to make me agree with you? Really? Really? See, your secret mods board can be seen by you and your mods but not by anyone else. We didn't know general was going to be deleted. We come back to see Yori, the guy who at that stage soley moderated it, saying that it'd been reset. Of course we blamed him for it! In hinesight... urgh... why? Because heaps of people got annoyed about it? Because a new forum was made? See, there was a lot in those threads worth saving. "Hey, heads up! We're approching 60 pages! Save the stuff you want saved!". I sure as hell know I would have gotten all the "HQ's of the Hive" out, saved all the comic codes in a word document and found some of the posts that made me laugh the hardest so I could bring them up later and say "good times!". Alice: Perhaps you could supply us with a list of the people that Yoritomo has banned?? Lets skip Sal, and the ones that were banned for advertising.... but a list of all the rest would be helpful. ?? Nice try, but that is a cop out. It was *this* incident that was a "prime example" of Nazi tendencies, and it was *this* incident that had you seeing a 'little boy'. So, what *should* a mod do? There were at least a dozen warnings There were two temp bans for similar behavior There was a Final Warning about this exact behavior *and* a follow up to make sure he understood the issue. And yet Sal *still* pulled the same crap. So, what *should* a mod do? And lets remember, even Sal knew he was in the wrong, and should have been banned many times over. Yet, somehow, Yoritomo is the 'nazi'. These ain't mine... but I'll throw my two cents at it. Nice rhetoric. And selective commenting. Looking at Alices whole post the point is "Yori was a bully" not "Yori was bad because he banned people". "Yori was a bully" That's the best sum up I've ever heard.
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Post by salamut2202 on Oct 23, 2010 0:12:00 GMT
Oh yeah... thanks, for doing that for me poly, now i know...
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