From The Tyranid Hive

[1deadcop]

Aug 8, 2010 4:24:55 GMT Custy said:

I believe one of the reasons the general board grew so much was because of so many people moving away from nids (ive moved onto to a new army and warmachine) but not wanting to leave the site (its a great community). General seemed like the place to go.

Same brother, i've moved farther away from nids more to Chaos

[Trygon]

I moved to Chaos too.

Horus Heresy moment?

[1deadcop]

Aug 8, 2010 4:27:55 GMT Trygon said:

I moved to Chaos too.

Horus Heresy moment?

I guess only a heresy... a fall from grace

[The Hive Mind]

Aug 8, 2010 4:24:55 GMT Custy said:

I believe one of the reasons the general board grew so much was because of so many people moving away from nids (ive moved onto to a new army and warmachine) but not wanting to leave the site (its a great community). General seemed like the place to go.

It is one of the many reasons it was made, for Ex Nid players to still be part of the community.

If I can find an archived version of the General Board and re-instal it I will try to, however the changes that need to be made need to be discussed with the Mods AND Members. But I'll look in to reinstating it if the discussion deems it to be the best action to take.

I need to catch some zzz's now gang, but trust me tomorrow I will be starting to do these discussions and we will bring the Hive to be a place where people don't refer to the site as the the good old days, or when the site was good. The site should be good for ALL users not just a select few. Collecting Warhammer isn't a 24 7 thing, General is there to have discussions, chat randomly, etc... I LOVED reading some of the posts there, especially the TTH Comic, (in fact any post with Alice in it made me giggle, things just seemed to get funnier and funnier.) The site is not suppose to be a place where the are strict officials telling you what you will and won't do, (most of you get that from School) the WHOLE POINT of the site is to bring out peoples creativity, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, be it painting, modelling, gaming tactics, artwork, comics, stories, or just general entertainment.

[Trygon]

Well, now that it's settled till Poly and Danger show; do you like the place we have built here?

Do you like the rollover buttons? Because I like the rollover buttons.

[kaosherald]

Aug 8, 2010 4:29:43 GMT 1deadcop said:

Aug 8, 2010 4:27:55 GMT Trygon said:

I moved to Chaos too.

Horus Heresy moment?

I guess only a heresy... a fall from grace

Yes yes come my minions your masters await!!

Yeah I play Nids, but may it be noted that they are infact Chaos Nids (no joke) But my mind, body, and soul has and always will be for Chaos.

[salamut2202]

who says there can't be happy endings. now this is the ends in which i thought the means would work to this. this reminds me of the conversations between poly, danger and myself. a true consensus.

on the other other topic, i've been working extensively on my tau. now i saving up to replace my crappy suits with xv9 substituent.

[kaosherald]

Why are Tau so cool >_<

At some point I want to do a Farsight army and abuse the possibility for many suits!

[loplod]

I just don't play 40k in general.

I own 2000 points of marines, Orks and Nids bit I have played a totally of like.. 15 games all up. I wouldn't call myself a 40k player.

I joined the hive cause I'm mates with Aux. And the people there are awesome. Sure I give my 2c when I want (Though not very relevant)

I mostly post "Why don't you shoot them with guns" Good times

[1deadcop]

Aug 8, 2010 4:45:22 GMT Trygon said:

Well, now that it's settled till Poly and Danger show; do you like the place we have built here?

Do you like the rollover buttons? Because I like the rollover buttons.

Sounds good to me

[Dangeresque]

This is unfortunate... I feel we all owe The Hive Mind a great deal.

However, the only problem that you (The Hive Mind) ever caused was your unavailability. I had considered PMing you with a rundown of the whole situation... but regardless of what happened afterward that wouldn't have fixed the problem. I will, however, offer more detail than I have wanted too before. There, it would have been a giant middle finger to the moderation of TTH... a middle finger sufficient enough to warrant reaction. Reaction seemed to lead to a further event that fed the problem into a gradually more bloated mass.

The problem? Overzealous and terrible decisions concerning moderation and a distinct lack of community voice in the machinations of anything and everything that happened to general. little by litte, options were being taken away. You would return to find a discussion the community was enjoying locked for the most trivial reasons. There was no adaptation to the flow of conversation even when a topic had been satisfied, so new and evolved conversations were locked for being "off topic". Any outcry at locked threads was treated with indifference. People began to not enjoy general as much, heralded by an obvious change in forum tone. This new "forum tone" led to some pretty indecent things (I'm sure we all remember the "raid") which just served to turn the rack further an further.

I know I'd been ticked off about it for some time, and God knows I tried to do something about it. The response I recieved for my efforts was horrendous. Everyone had a different opinion, there were arguments, there were misunderstandings, the simple question of "What's the problem to you?" spawned about four good answers within three pages of anger.

Between then and now several things were locked for the most puzzling reasons (such as "Stabbity Death", a forum game that had been going strong for over three hundred pages, being locked because the people playing changed it to "Drink the Cyanide" to ease stagnation). Then, when the general thread was wiped clean and all the threads of old, threads that held a wealth of information, effort and interaction... well, they were all gone!

The Hive's capacity for general had waned considerably over the past year... but now it had simply deleted all within it without warning. Does anyone appeal you before stuff like this happens? It had also been blatantly revealed that all in all we were not welcome to exist the way we wanted on in the Hive. So, I discussed with several people a course of action to preserve general and return it to it's state around about a year ago. Not only that, but also a way to ensure that the community could run general and a way that prevented the problems that killed it from happening again. The obvious option was taken, and option that seemed to suit everyone that the problem effected. New General was created and the old general community invited to move. By the looks of things, there has been little protest from the community that this was a bad decision.

I judged the problem to be solved when I saw the support for this move. I appealed Yori to try to sort out the loose ends that such a move would create. I got told not to advertise this site and nothing more. I don't think he got why it was created, nor what it actually was.

However, your prescence here shows that you are more... level headed. If that is the case then I implore you you to consider the offer I was going to make to Yori before realising the futility of it.

General has been fixed. A completly new environment has been built atop the old. The community reaction and the flood of new ideas has convinced me that I did the right thing by them. As general is back online at 100% is no need to "refix" it on the Hive for it to still be part of it. However, I had no intention of forsaking the Hive. I was going to ask if this forum could be linked through the general section of the Hive as a direct partner, so that the sudden drop of people posting there would not kill it as a section. The Hive would then be free to run as it always had been, as the other sections have never really needed to be moderated aside from cleaning up.

Please don't try to turn the Hive into here when here is already available. I have no gripe with the Hive, but I have every gripe with the way it ran General. The way things are run now benefits everyone. I implore you to embrace us as the new general section of your site, yet let us exist as we are now. It's early days, peoples wants will be satisfied as they come.

[Custy]

Aug 8, 2010 4:27:55 GMT Trygon said:

I moved to Chaos too.

Horus Heresy moment?

well, my guys are sorta pre heresy but they go traitor so whatever (my warmachine army is nowhere near chaos so I guess we all didn't turn to chaos )

TTY will always hold a place in my mind, it was my first 40k forum and where I discovered my love for converting (thanks thaylie)... Since then I've frequented the place in spurts (aside from maintaining the good trader thread) where I usually stay in general. I would love for this hating and rift to be mended so things can get back to normal. (plus it would lessen the amount of forums I visit )

[braid]

Thanks for bothering to post Hive Mind

[Thlaylie]

Your welcome Custy, I still have all those conversions and eagerly await the next codex.

I have some ideas for the current critters, but am a little short lately dropping to part time.

I advise you to magnetize your conversions as much as possible to compensate for GW's continuous rule changes. You will save a lot of money that way.

I made Alice laugh by describing my "Shake and Bake Fex." You drop the body in the bag of magnetized parts and shake LOL.

[FungusA]

I like New general, it keeps the Tyranid hive community, away from the tyranid hive, so that it doesn't spill into the tyranid hive's other boards. Everybody wins, we get a playground to be a community, you get a forum about tyranids where people discuss, learn and figure stuff out. I think we should keep New general, and simply link it to the main forum.

[Enigma]

I'll put it simply. On OldGen, we screwed up. We were rude, we disobeyed the rules, we spammed for no reason other then it was our "spamboard". We did everything that would never be allowed on any of the other boards. Why was this old General any different from the other boards on the hive? I'm surprised that it lasted in that state as long as it did, and I understand fully why Yori cracked down on us. I don't think of New General as being an escape from the "tyranny" of Yori (who isn't a tyrant, if you didn't see the quotes), but instead as something completely different, a place with different rules to the hive, and a fully different community. Sure, many of us are also on the Hive, but some of us aren't, so for all intents and purposes, I think of us as a completely different forum. If I want to talk about my day and don't feel like looking at miniatures, I'll come here. If I want to talk about the bugs, then I'll go on the Hive. I think that if someone doesn't play Tyranids anymore, they can frequent the non-tyranid sections of the hive for their conversations, and if someone doesn't play 40k at all, well then they have no real reason to be on a 40k fansite, do they?

In short, NewGen is not an escape or a big "screw you" sign to the Hive, but rather a completely different place, which just happens to have some old Hive members.

I still don't think Poly should have advertised (mass advertised that is) though, and that it was the right thing to punish, for he broke the rules, no matter how you slice it.

[Dangeresque]

If he sent a bunch of pm's personally inviting people then he did not break any rules, because there was a method to his PMing that wasn't simple advertising. If he posted a thread then he did break the rules.

Depending on which was which it's either a knee-jerk reaction or a ban that's a little harsh and should belong to me.

[Captain Malachi]

I have to agree with D here (I'd give him balls, but I just gave them to Sally). OldGen just wasn't the same, the last time we got a new regular poster was months ago, and they come sparingly. It was stagnant.

On top of that, as said, we were breaking rules left right and centre and were hardly ever punished for it, instead, the thread was just locked, leaving those posters who were enjoying it properly really pissed off. But other threads were left for weeks even when the topic had been left on page two. It got to the point where the moderation was so inconsistant that I didn't even know what the rules for general were. All I knew was that if we'd posted in the same way in other sections we'd have got the boot faster than you can say Uncle Mike.

This forum is a place for us to be stupid and just have fun, and we can go back to OldGen and enjoy it without pissing the mods off. To be honest, I don't blame Yori, he was exhausted and just wanted things to back to how they were before. He may not have made the best choice, but he was just doing what he thought was right.

I don't know about everyone else, but I have no intention of leaving TTH, however, I equally have no intention of going back there permanently should OldGen come back. These two forums can work well together, and I see no reason why they shouldn't. Hell, even right now I have Jaka's 'somethings just don't make sense' thread open in another tab, we can all enjoy both forums and keep the appropriate behaviour in the right place.

As for Cyc's advertising, he did seem to invite a whole lot of random people. But I have no idea if he knew them or not so I can't comment. If they were random however then he did indeed break the rules.

[hosh]

Ok, I know everyone has made there long speeches about the reasons for the move. All about hate and rebellion and petulance. Apologies have been made and hugs have been handed out.

Now this is all well and good. I am sure it is all heart felt. I just have one point to make my friends.

Some of us didn't make this move because we wanted old gen back. I wasn't a regular poster in gen 2 months ago and not on that many threads anyways. I liked the atmosphere and all but I had very little to talk about on most of the threads. I came here because my good buddy Poly let me know there was a new site being opened up by some of the guys. A fun site where we could have good happy fun times. Where we could make a fully ramblimatic thread that had no point other then to let you vent and share weird things you found.

I came to this new site and gave it a fare shake. You know what I found. I found a site where I can have fun with a group of people that I enjoy talking to. A site where I didn't feel like I was on the outside looking in. A site where I could talk about things that plague every day life and then can switch over and talk about my favorite pen and paper(Which come on guys, there has to be more then four of us who play dark heresy and the like.) This is a brave new site. By the posters, for the posters, and made great because of the posters.

Yes some of us found certain goings on and certain posts made by certain individuals to be rather callous and harsh. We find some decisions to be arbitrary and down right power trip some days. But we didn't jump ship over it. This isn't some new hive. We aren't encroaching on the hobby site niche.

We are just people who want that sense of community. That sense of belonging that we get. That feeling of comradery and friendship that warms the inner cockles of our cold bitter hearts.

I personally don't want this site to be reabsorbed. I like it just the way it is shaping up. This is my home where I feel I belong. I will still use TTH because that's where I go to hear peoples advice on Nids and then ignore them completely(face my spinegaunt army.) But this will be my home for good light-hearted fun. Where I can discuss things without having to censor my self every second and won't have to read how stupid everyone is for having a little fun.

So in closing your honor I would like to plead guilty to the charges of having a good time but I still maintain my innocence on the charge of storming off to have a tantrum because big bad bully took my toys away.

[Trygon]

I don't think I can add anything else to what has been said above. We have some smart people here. Smart people with lots of balls.